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Brian Thompson tragedy: Does it reflect deeper issues in healthcare systems worldwide?

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Hello everyone, how are you doing?

The recent targeted killing of Brian Thompson, CEO of UnitedHealthcare in the U.S., has launched global debates about healthcare systems. While the motives remain unclear, the tragedy puts focus on frustrations with health insurance practices in the U.S., such as denied claims and soaring costs. This raises questions about how other countries, including the UK, might address similar challenges in their own systems.

The NHS is often praised for being free at the point of use, but funding pressures and waiting lists can limit access to timely care. Do you think the NHS does enough to balance affordability and care quality?

In the U.S., many blame insurers for putting profits over patient care. Do you believe private companies should have a greater role in the UK healthcare system, or does that risk undermining the NHS?

Some say that moving to a mixed model of private and public healthcare could improve efficiency. Would this enhance patient care, or would it only increase unfairness in access?

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These are complex and polarizing issues, but they’re worth discussing. How can we protect the NHS while ensuring patients get the care they need without delay?

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts and perspectives.

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Somya from the Carenity Team 🌼


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Without a doubt the US healthcare systems puts PROFIT over people and has for years. UHC carries the highest denial rate of insurance companies in the US--one in three!!! Its disgusting the monies these conglomerations make while letting hard working Americans pay thousands into the system and deny their medical needs/claims. Something HAS to give and hopefully/unfortunately with this particular killing, and a new Administration coming in, changes will happen. The system is HORRIBLY fractured, and people are dying while top executives continue to get filthy rich at the patience expense.

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UnitedHealthcare, whose chief executive Brian Thompson was gunned down in Manhattan Wednesday, has come under scrutiny for its high rate of claim denials in recent years.

While the motive for the shooting remains under investigation, NYPD officials say the attack was “targeted” and “premeditated.” The Associated Press reported that law enforcement found messages on the ammunition the gunman used — “deny,” “defend,” and “depose” — which may be referring to tactics the insurance industry uses to avoid paying claims. The company dismissed about one in every three claims in 2023 — the most of any major insurer. That’s twice the industry average of 16 percent, according to data from ValuePenguin, a consumer research site owned by LendingTree that specializes in insurance. The group’s analysis is based on in-network claims data from the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. “UnitedHealthcare has always been close to the top,” for denial rates, said Divya Sangameshwar, an insurance expert at ValuePenguin. “You see a lot of these anguished messages [from patients] all over.” Related New clues emerge as investigators hunt for the gunman who killed UnitedHealthcare’s CEO How big is UnitedHealthcare’s presence in Massachusetts? Police search for UnitedHealthcare CEO’s masked killer after ‘brazen, targeted’ attack on NYC street RELATED: What to know about Brian Thompson, the UnitedHealthcare CEO shot to death in NYC The reasons for denying an insurance claim are often complicated and cryptic to consumers, Sangameshwar added. In a lot of cases, doctors can recommend treatment for patients, but the insurer can determine that the treatment falls outside its coverage area and refuse to pay. UnitedHealthcare has long drawn scrutiny for rejecting claims. A Senate panel slammed health insurers for refusing to cover care for elderly people who have suffered falls or strokes. UnitedHealthcare featured prominently in that report. “My heart goes out to people who have a medical issue and find out their health insurance is inadequate,” Sangameshwar said.


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The Pareto Principle covers everything on the planet; and, insurance companies, of all types, know it and profit from it.

They operate under the ten D "SOP".

First they disallow; then, they deny, deny, deny, deny, while waiting for the claimant to die. If the insured does not cooperate and sues, they disavow any knowledge of why they are the victim of a law suit.

After that they defend, defend, defend; all the way to the Supreme Court, if necessary.


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The Pareto Principle covers everything on the planet; and, insurance companies, of all types, know it and profit from it.

They operate under the ten D "SOP".

First they disallow; then, they deny, deny, deny, deny, while waiting for the claimant to die. If the insured does not cooperate and sues, they disavow any knowledge of why they are the victim of a law suit.

After that they defend, defend, defend; all the way to the Supreme Court, if necessary.


Brian Thompson tragedy: Does it reflect deeper issues in healthcare systems worldwide? https://www.carenity.co.uk/forum/other-discussions/good-to-know/brian-thompson-tragedy-does-it-reflect-deeper-issues-in-healthcare-systems-worldwide-5515 2024-12-15 18:09:13

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The NHS should be fully funded by the government. There has been a not so subtle PR campaign going these last few years to get more people using private. Health care and it seems to be working. What do these people think will happen to their 'Affordable costs ' if the NHS is crippled and private companies take over the running . I know when I was working ( now retired ) my employers introduced a private health scheme which was free for us to use . I refused to allow my name to be put into it and surprise suprise the next year there was a charge per month taken from the wages and people found out over the years treatment was only given so many times for the same problem, and even one woman had a bad reaction to an operation and was transferred to an NHS hospital for life saving treatment as the private hospital couldn't do what was needed to save her life.

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@mjteddy - “If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free.” ― P.J. O'Rourke.


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No NHS belongs to us no privatising from others it has nothing to do with any other country if you have only just come into our country then they should pay for treatment we have worked all our lives to use the NHS

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@Tigger.co.uk - Except, when these astronomial expenses occur, the Federal Reserve will, routinely, add it to the passive federal "outgo" tax you know as the national debt; which, will cause more inflation. Are you prepared to go shopping for only what you can afford, instead of what you need; or, politicians forbidden, what you want?

My current, daily, food budget is $1.32

The tax on a Combo Meal, at McDonald's, is $1.45

It's no wonder they can't afford houses.


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@LifeDelineator I already go shopping for what I can afford, as I live in England and the NHS belongs to us I do not want it to be privatised if that happens then we won't be able to manage with all our ill illnesses because we won't be able to afford it when we get ill in foreign countries we have to pay loads of money for treatment our NHS is what we paid for out of our wages so no it should stay that way not privatising it but when people come to England they don't get charged but we are to soft we help everyone and get jeered at but nobody helps us

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